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Stem Cell Research

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13934199/

This just makes me want to write a letter. Seriously.

"This bill would support the taking of innocent human life in the hope of finding medical benefits for others," Bush said in announcing his veto. "It crosses a moral boundary that our decent society needs to respect."

NO! I refuse to respect that lame excuse of a reason. 78% of voters said they support stem cell research (out of 180,212 responses.) With that evidence, most of the country thinks that stem cell research does not cross that "moral boundary."

Here's what gets me on this issue. The fetuses are already dead. We're going to use them to help save life! Therefore, the fetuses do not die in vain but become donors. You cannot mix your religious views into politics, Mr. President. We don't all think the same on everything.

"Mr. President, we will not give up," said Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass. "We will continue this battle."
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I'm with you 100% Kate. It absolutely drives me crazy that this president thinks it is perfectly fine to drive our nation into debt with $500 billion budget deficits, and then he says it is crossing a "moral boundary" when it comes to funding stem cell research. I think it crosses a "moral boundary" not to use these fetuses that are simply going to be thrown away to help cure diseases and help other people.
Oh yikes. I don't see why we can't do this. All of these stem cells are going to waste. They could be used to help lots of people who really need help. Why doesn't the president see this? Is he blind? Is he stupid?

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From what i have so far understood, the only thing that i see wrong with stem cell research is that it may help to give a justifiable reason to women who aren't sure if they should abort or not. This issue of stem cell research may be the point that helps them make their decision. I'm all for helping people and making them feel better. But does that really make sense? Lets kill a baby so that we can heal someone else from their ailments. That just seems like we are moving nowhere then...taking a life to save a life. Scientists should just get whatever stem cells they can from currently healthy and living adults, there are a lot of people in this world, and there must be enough combined stem cells in us all to meet the "quota" of these researchers.
Well it's a nice thought that we could get all the benefits that we are looking for from adult stem cells. The problem is not that there are a shortage of stem cells. The problem is that adult stem cells can't give all of the benefits that stem cells from fetuses can. That's why we need to utilize these fetuses that will otherwise be thrown away.

I guess you're not very privy to the information I'm about to tell you either. This is definitely not a promo for abortion, but scientists have done studies that say that abortion lowers the crime rate. The reasoning behind this is that the babies who were aborted would have been much more likely to commit crimes because they would have grown up in poor families with little parenting or discipline. The reason that I am pro-choice is not because of this, however. I am pro-choice because I think it's simply not my place to tell women what to do with their bodies.

So the bottom line is: If women are going to have abortions anyways, then scientists should use their aborted fetuses to do some good and help cure some diseases.
See Ryan, I told you. Haha, dang I'm good.
Well, Lucas, how could scientists to research saying aborted babies would get in trouble? they've been aborted, so their future is uncertain. plus, there are a lot of famous celebrities and i know people who have grown up and become respectable adults. also, just because a baby is aborted doesnt mean that the parents are poor or would have provided little parenting and discipline. If abortion was illegal, then women would be discouraged from aborting. then the women could go through with their pregnancies, and, if they choose, put the kid up for adoption, and then the kids, who would have been aborted, would go into homes with loving parents.
wait, the part about celebrities and people grown up is implied that they were poor/ had bad parenting. idk if that was clear
Still, the point is that women are always going to get an abortion if they sincerly don't want to have the child. There always will be abortion: legal or not. So why not use them to help those who are already living?
because why should we be taking lives to only "possibly" help others. i havent heard of of any super-good-for-humanity cures that have come from stem cells. its only research, human lives shouldnt be sacrificed for that.
They're already dead, so therefore not sacrificed! We're not going out there and making people abort. They already have. We're just using them for good now, if you want to put it that way.

And you haven't heard of any super-good-for-humanity cures because the research can't be funded because the president vetoed it!

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lotrfreqally

10 years ago

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lrwbmn

10 years ago

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darbi_jo

10 years ago

Alright first you need to reread your first sentence because it makes absolutely no sense. And babies generally are aborted because the parent is or the parents are poor and the mother can't afford the baby or she is a single mom and there would be no father in the baby's life, hence the bad parenting. Making abortion illegal would not discourage women from having abortions. That's why abortion was legalized in 1973....because so many women were having at-home or alley abortions and were killing not only the baby but themselves as well.

And it's a very nice thought that all kids that go up for adoption get into good homes with loving parents....but it's just not realistic. Most kids just get put into group homes and pushed around to different foster parents for their entire childhood.
Exactly, all scientists seem to do is speculate and guess. They hardly ever seem certain. They don't know that all this good will come out of the stem cells and i agree that funding that would just push the national debt higher. There are other things that money can be focused on right now. I'm not saying that stem cell research is promoting abortions...it may just be the thing that makes it ok to abort in a woman's mind. See, I think that there are other bigger issues at hand that should be taken care of before some funding for just research goes on. It seems as if every couple of months something new appears in the news that is controversial. Its as if people are just thinking up things to divide us. Why worry about the things that are out of your control for the time being...like I said, there are bigger issues going on in the world than this.
The money could definitely be spent on worse things (like war maybe?). And do you expect scientists to be certain all the time? Are you ever always certain? Don't you speculate and guess? I bet you do, a lot. Give them a break. I don't see you out there trying to find help for the people who need it.

Think of the potential, though. Honestly. How can you just let it be literally thrown away? I don't understand. Well, I do. I just don't agree. As for the whole abortion thing, I don't really think it would be the deciding factor. If she wants to get rid of the fetus, she will.
It's called scientific progress. Everything begins with speculation and guess. Eventually someone comes up with something that works. Did you not take 9th grade science or did you just fail it or what?

I don't ever remember the national debt being this high when Clinton was president....in fact he had three budget surpluses of $69 billion, $124 billion, and $232 billion. And Republicans are supposed to be the fiscal conservatives....maybe if Bush gave a few less tax cuts to the wealthy then we wouldn't have budget deficits exceeding $400 billion annually.

There are more important issues than saving lives? Really...o yes that's right...important issues like destroying thousands of lives in wars started under false pretenses. This is important and 78% of people in the US think that the federal government should fund stem cell research. There is private research going on as well, but private companies just don't have enough money to really research stem cells. They need government funding.
they dont need government funding. just like schools, federally funded schools are worse off than locally and privately funded ones. if so many people are for this, then why dont they pay the money and donate it to the people so they have their funding? they dont NEED the government.
They do actually need government, but it was a nice try. They need government for regulation and to make sure that the money goes where they say it is going. If you donate money to a private business to fund stem cell research, there is no guarantee that that money actually goes towards stem cell research. The government allocates specific amounts of money towards something and then follows through with it. People also don't donate money to private companies because they simply don't want to give up their money. That's why it's easier to use tax dollars to fund it.
Oh, and as for schooling....guess who gets the advantage there? The rich people do of course because poor people can't afford to send their kids to private school. So just because someone is poor that means that they shouldn't get a good education? I don't think so. America is about equality for EVERYONE, not just the rich.

lotrfreqally

10 years ago

lrwbmn

10 years ago

Do you honestly think women go "Oh boy! The president is promoting stem cell research! Maybe I shouldn't have this baby. They could sure use it in their research. Bye honey! Going to get an abortion!".

No way. Coming from a woman's prospective there are bigger reasons for women to end their pregnancy, such as they're under twenty, poor, no committed father figure, etc. You can't even imagine what it is like to carry a child for nine months since you are a male. Many women get freaked out. Just because some high authority figure says stem cell research is good does not mean they think women should go out and have an abortion.
When I said that there were more important issues at hand, I didn't mean more important than saving lives, I meant more important than doing some research. Its not for sure that the pay off to this stem cell stuff will be as great as originally thought. You say that 78% of the nation agrees with it, well how many are undecided, and how many disagree? Just because more than half of the nation says something should be done doesn't mean that its a good idea for the Government to listen to them...what if 78% of the nation said that we should do something that was totally unreasonable, should the government listen to that as well just because 78% of the nation says they should? If this research is so favored then why doesn't the public support them financially? If those companies so choose to do this research then let them...if they find something that is reasonable or outstanding then present it to the president and ask him to change his view. Until then, there is no Government funded research. It is not like our country is going to be destroyed on this certain issue...
hmm....let's talk about 51%....as in 51% of the nation voted for Bush (in 2004 that is)....should we just forget about that too....I mean just because more than half of the nation says someone should be elected doesn't mean that it's a good idea....yea wonderful logic there....do you have any idea what democracy is?

The public supporting them financially would mean federal funding from the government....for you see the government gets its funds from the public....geez that was an easy one come on. And they have found that stem cells could dramatically help cure diseases....but they just don't have enough money to do extensive research....that's where the government comes in.
Gosh, I can't put my thoughts into words here. This may take awhile. So you think that there are more important issues that doing research, but you don't think that there are more important issues than saving lives? How are we going to learn how to save more lives without researching how to do it? Do you think solutions will just fall into our hands one day? Oh wait, maybe God will help everyone. Sorry, not bringing religion into this.
If a high majority of the country wants something I really hope the government does something about it. You see, if the government doesn't do what the people want the people will take them out. And if it gets really ugly, mob rule will take over and we will make a new government. Just like France back in the 1790s. America probably won't do that over a topic such as stem cell research, but I'm just saying that the government is here to listen to the people and do as they wish. Even if it sounds 'unreasonable.'
if so many people want this to happen, then why don't they talk to their representatives and such and have them overthrow the veto?
It's really simple if you think about it at all. Which you probably didn't. Most of Congress is Republicans. While some of them do support stem cell research (almost half in fact), there are just not enough votes in both houses to get the 2/3 majority needed to overturn the veto. Besides, the vote is already over and done with and they didn't overturn it. So your argument is about 3 days moot.
well i dont watch tv

kate_sara20

10 years ago

lotrfreqally

10 years ago